SemWeb CG -- 7 Jan 2005

<em> Chiar: EricM

<em> Scribe: JimH

Convene, take roll, review record

<DanC> some hesitation at accepting danbri's regrets...

<DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2004Dec/0040.html

em: proposal to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2004Dec/0040.html

APPROVED

jh: scribe

JimH: at risk for Jan 14

<Ralph> Ralph slightly at risk for 14 Jan; may be a few minutes late

em: next meeting, Jan 14

<DanC> scribe list from last minutes: David Guus Ivan Brian JimH DanC DanBri Ralph

<DanC> if we put JimH at the end: David Guus Ivan Brian DanC DanBri Ralph JimH

discussion of scribe list management

next scribe: David

(until we hear otherwise)

em: any other agenda items?

Misc action item review

<Ralph> ACTION: Jim to followup on public-owl-dev announcement [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

<Ralph> Jim: I've forgotten the CG's intention here

<Ralph> ... note that rdf-rules is very active at the moment with lots of mention of OWL

<Ralph> ... are we trying to move all of rdf-rules discussion to owl-dev or to separate OWL from Rules discussion?

<Ralph> EricM: the original request was to create a development list for OWL

Jim: okay, I have it, leave this as CONT and I'll do it

<DanC> (if the action is no longer clear, it should be withdrawn and an agendum should be added if we don't want to drop it. We're into the BulkActionReview antipattern)

<scribe> CONTINUED

<scribe> ACTION: Guus to brief CG on status of ODM draft [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: Guus2 to brief CG on status of ODM draft [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to think about possible speakers for an application vocab panel and investigate this for W3C track at WWW [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: EricM to push Steven Pemberton to get HTML WG position on RDF/A on record [CONT] [CONT] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

DAWG update

em: congrats on working draft - (Dec 04)

danc: thanks

<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf4.html

danc: working on a meeting page for next f2f

<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/issues-ftf4/

danc: looking at a poll on open issues
... I'd like CG to put some time pressure on us (not the exact wording)

ralph: are you asking for SWBPD to look at your issues list?

<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#SOURCE

<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#unsaid

danc: there's a couple that go together (uris in log) - it may be that CG wants to see if they think this is critical short term standardization

em: do the use cases require this?

danc: objectives definitely include these

<Ralph> DanC: if SWBPD has any opinion on whether SOURCE or unsaid involve premature standardization, that would help the DAWG Chair

danc: might be good if SWBPD takes a look at this and says how much need there is for this short term

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to ask SWBPD to look at SOURCE and UNSAID issues and see if there is a need in short term [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

danc: not just need, but also whether there is enough design experience on this?
... there's some schedule risk w/DAWG - we're behind the original sched

em: is the issue of how to implement a CR issue?

danc: the real question is should we be doing real standardization on this, or can we leave it a POSTPONED issue

<Ralph> action 5=Ralph ask SWBPD to look at SOURCE and UNSAID issues and see if there is a need in short term and sufficient design experience at this point, especially interested in user feedback

danc: if SPARQL is useless without source, for example, then we need it, but if most apps don't need it, we could move faster without

IG update

<scribe> ACTION: David to contact Susan Turnbull [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

ralph: brief update of WG status. Am expecting formal liaison letter from ISO topic maps - this is FYI for CG, doesn't require action at this time
... Steve Pepper is convener of ISO WG and also coordinator of our TF

<DanC> (formally, changing his affiliation requires that he resign and be reappointed. Just not noticing that he's no longer employed, since they're paid thru March, seems easier)

<DanC> (his does not refer to Steve)

em: next f2f for BP is at Tech Plenary? ralph: yes.
... I've been hearing some requests for Skos stuff to move forward (jh +1)

<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to talk about scribe list

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask how to prioritize my own RDF/XHTML work, to note XTech GRDDL thingy, and to ask about w3t @ SWBP-at-TP

ralph: I will pass this back to the TF

danc: if you want me (re: RDF/XHTML) at TP, I need some feedback soon

ralph: we haven't done the agenda-ing yet, but we need to get the grddl stuff moving

danc: Dom is preparing an abstract for a grddl thing at Xtech (nee. XML Europe) in May

<em>

<em> may 25-28, 2005

<Ralph> in Amsterdam

<DanC> (I've been working on some GRDDL schema annotation slides)

em: seeing some GRDDL stuff move forward, and esp. schema annotation, is critical stuff (esp. to Creative Commons)
... various real world groups need the GRDDL stuff - we do want to see that move forward

Dynamic Properties Framework (DPF) and RDF

<DanC> (saved my GRDDL XML Schema annotation slide outline http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk2/grddl-xsch.html )

em: (we're skipping the IG agendum, but note that danbri's action is continued)
... on DPF - let's put on agenda for later

<Ralph> I appreciated DanBri's heads-up on DPF, though didn't get to read it over the holidays

em: might be bridge Sem Web to MMI activity - not clear if we are there yet - thanks danbri for heads up

WWW 2005 Dev Day update

<Ralph> Jim: currently thinking that there won't be a single track called "Semantic Web"

<DanC> yes, time for devday semweb track to undergo mitosis

<Ralph> ... instead several tracks on different aspects of SemWeb

<Ralph> ... one such subtrack proposal is "Implemented Semantic Web Services"

em: I've been organizing DD track for Sem Web since WWW 7
... the SW theme on Dev Day has matured to where breaking it up seems to make sense
... so from Dev Day side of this, we have been successful and the breakup seems like a good way to show this

<Ralph> Jim: I'd like to see a multimedia track rather than [the more specific] photo track

danc: multimedia metadata is certainly one we're seeing more interest in these days

<Ralph> Jim: there is, however, a specific WWW Photo project and they may make a specific track proposal

<Ralph> EricM: will tracks be half-day?

<Ralph> Jim: thought is to follow the 2004 New York schedule with keynote but then working lunch so net loss of track time is only half hour

<Ralph> Jim: start beating the bushes to encourage track proposals

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to suggest photo sharing metadata, or multimedia metadata, as a theme

<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to support multiple focussed tracks

ralph: if we see things that would have gone into the old Dev Day track, we should now be thinking about a "business applications track" or whatever

jh: +1

Calendar

calconnect

<DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2005Jan/att-0007/calcon.html__charset_us-ascii

danc: so this is based on "when will all this stuff be standardized" email
... seems like CalConnect is for real - tight time lines and a number of significant players
... they're meeting next week
... but I cannot go
... I may be able to go to the Minnesota meeting (March)

<DanC> "62nd IETF 6-11 Mar 2005 Minneapolis, MN"

danc: seems to be some standardization happening here, but under a different name - given IPR issues, W3C could point out oppty to do as W3C issue
... seems like W3C shoudl join

ralph: definite W3C interest in calendaring stuff

em: anyone from RDF calendar group going? danc: no, I don't think so

danc: no one on mailing list seems to have said "yes I am going"

discussion of the relationship between Cal consortium and W3C re: cal stuff

<DanC> DanC thanks the CG for the feedback and brainstorming

<Ralph> Call for Participantion -- Second Calconnect Interop - 11-12 January 2005 - Seattle, Washington

<Ralph> From: David C. Thewlis <Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org>

<Zakim> jh-scribe, you wanted to mention PAW connection

<Ralph> [[

<Ralph> Dave Thewlis

<Ralph> Executive Director

<Ralph> The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium

<Ralph> 1550 Dena Drive

<Ralph> McKinleyville CA 95519-4146

<Ralph> ]]

<Ralph> JimH: MIT is a member of Calconnect

<Ralph> EricM: do we know the individual who is involved?

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to find out who at MIT is primary contact [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/07-swcg-irc]

CIO/CTO symposium

em: heads up to CG - have started some conversations about putting this into place
... various rules workshop stuff put that on hold for a bit
... but my interaction w/folks from industry has been positive
... I have reorg'ed the futures calendar to move this to - in SIlicon valley in mid-end of June

<DanC> my June travel plan is TAG in Cannes, FYI

jimh: it's in the calendar (I can see it)
... suggests rules wkshop become agenda item for future weeks

em: so noted

ADJOURNED

<Ralph> rrsgent, actions?

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